Re: Chronological Coltrane

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gypsy tail windDer Schedule der Europa-Tournee:

25. Okt: Tivolis Koncertsal, Kopenhagen (20:00)

Quelle: Coltrane Reference, 286-290 & 691-700

Zu einem Jam, der angeblich in Kopenhagen stattgefunden haben soll (in „Coltrane Reference“ hatte ich das bisher übersehen), hat ein Freund auf Org grad das hier gepostet:

Back in 2007, during my Tete Montoliu research, I found some sources mentioning a jam session that may have taken place in Copenhagen, October 25, 1963, at the Montmartre Jazzhus, with John Coltrane and members of his ensemble joining the Roland Kirk Quartet after Trane’s appearance at the Tivolis Koncertsal.

Thanks to the research carried out by Jan Søttrup through the archives of Danish newspapers and magazines from that year, I came to know that neither Birger Jorgensen in Politiken, Eric Wiedemann in Information, Torben Ulrich in B.T. nor any other newspaper mentioned anything about a jam session with Roland Kirk and John Coltrane at the Montmartre after Coltrane’s concert at the Tivolis. Jan also contacted Anders Stefansen, who booked both the John Coltrane concert and the Roland Kirk performance at the Montmartre, and he rejected this possibility completely, as did John Tchicai of the New York Contemporary Five (and friendly with John Coltrane back then).

But since 2007, I have found new references to this possible jam session, to be precise in the Discography and the Chronology of the John Coltrane Reference book by Lewis Porter, Chris DeVito, Yasuhiro Fujioka and Wolf Schmaler (p. 287 & 695). It looks like the primary source is Downbeat („Copenhagen“, Dec. 5, 1963, p. 43), which took the data from the Berlingske Tidende, October 26, 1963, 11 (review „Arets Coltrane: Den traditionnelle koncert i Tivoli med en af jazzens fornyere“ by „Nius“) and from Mitsuo Johfu. The Coltrane Reference book gives this Kirk-Trane jam session as an irrefutable fact, with no mentions of „reportedly“ or „possibly“.

So I contacted Alex Riel, drummer in the Roland Kirk Quartet, and his reply was:

Alex Riel

I’m afraid I don’t recall anything about this incident – and like you I strongly doubt it happened when these people (Stefansen etc) reject it. They belong to the inner circle of Danish jazz and knew what was going on and what wasn’t. Also, I’m pretty sure I would have been present/heard about it if anything like that had happened. And I certainly would have remembered!

I can see from the book about Montmartre that Tete, Kirk, NHOP and Bob Moses/myself were playing on this day and the days before and after. I seem to remember that I went to the Coltrane concert in Tivoli and in that case Bob Moses must have been on drums at Montmartre. But I probably went to the club afterwards, and I certainly would have heard about it if Coltrane had been sitting in with the guys (imagine how dissapointed I would have been if I had missed such a jam!!!!).

I would appreciate any further information or comments, specially from Danish members who may have been jazz nuts at that time…

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