Madonna "Celebration"

Ansicht von 6 Beiträgen - 1 bis 6 (von insgesamt 6)
  • Autor
    Beiträge
  • #65281  | PERMALINK

    macclaus

    Registriert seit: 29.11.2006

    Beiträge: 1,818

    Jemand hat die 2 CD Collection auseinandergenommen… anscheinend ein Pfusch!

    Quote:
    26 years in, is no one going to step up to preserve Madonna’s recorded legacy?

    Lest the tone of this come across as entirely negative (it’s really more underwhelmed than anything), this is to serve as final confirmation of what you’re getting when you buy the new collection. All of the truly iconic songs are here, though many major hits have been omitted. And that’s okay considering –impressively– it would require double the amount of discs to include all of Madonna’s hits in one package.

    Here is what is included on Celebration.

    There are 16 previously released songs featured in their full-length, original album versions.

    BURNING UP

    HOLIDAY

    MATERIAL GIRL

    INTO THE GROOVE

    LIVE TO TELL

    PAPA DON’T PREACH

    LA ISLA BONITA

    WHO’S THAT GIRL

    LIKE A PRAYER

    JUSTIFY MY LOVE

    TAKE A BOW

    FROZEN

    BEAUTIFUL STRANGER

    MUSIC – MASTERING ERROR: multiple digital pops and clicks that are not part of the original recording can be heard throughout this song.

    DIE ANOTHER DAY – MASTERING ERROR: Track fades up late due to the incorrectly placed track index on the American Life album. This is ridiculous. The unaffected album version appears on both the US Promo CD single and the Die Another Day film soundtrack, all Warner Bros. releases.

    HOLLYWOOD – MASTERING ERROR: Track starts abruptly and end of „American Life“’s fade out is audible.

    Of these, ten were released as singles in versions that differ from these LP mixes. I would have much preferred the inclusion of the difficult to obtain single mixes, but I’m in therapy and have mostly moved on. Mostly.

    Fortunately, five tracks do appear in their official single versions.

    SECRET (Edit)

    RAY OF LIGHT (Edit)

    SORRY (Single Edit)

    4 MINUTES (Edit)

    MILES AWAY (Radio Edit)

    …and one more is a rarity from a US promo CD:

    HUNG UP ([Unblended] Album Version)

    Next up, there are five remixes lifted directly from The Immaculate Collection.

    BORDERLINE (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    LIKE A VIRGIN (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    CRAZY FOR YOU (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    OPEN YOUR HEART (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    VOGUE (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    And now we pause to ask ourselves why.

    The remaining nine tracks are unique to the collection. The first two are new recordings.

    CELEBRATION

    REVOLVER

    One appears to be a from-the-vault rarity, likely included by mistake.

    LUCKY STAR – ALTERNATIVE Q SOUND MIX

    Virtually identical to the version heard on The Immaculate Collection, though there is noticeably more reverb on the „ee-yeah“’s at the foot of each chorus. The music leading into the first verse is different (on TIC is was edited to match the original 7“ version, on here it is not.) The most obvious difference is right at the fade, instead of the chorus it edits to a set of adlibs heard on longer versions of the song, but not heard on the Q Sound version. Odd, but inoffensive as it seems to be a genuine unreleased variation.

    As for the rest, quality control has reached an all time low:

    EVERYBODY – FAKE EDIT

    This uses the full length, original 12″ version as its starting point (as did the official 7″ single version), but is structured differently. While the overall idea for this edit wasn’t horrendous, whoever was placed in charge of actually executing the edits needs to be tortured. Slowly… painfully.

    DRESS YOU UP – ****ED UP INTRO

    What the hell happened here? This isn’t a mix variation so much as a mastering error… the album version started late with severe tape pinch/phasing issues right at the top. Of the four beats on the intro, all but the fourth are missing.

    EXPRESS YOURSELF – FAKE ****ING ****.

    The most offensive. In a failed attempt to kindofsortof recreate the video version, they have taken the complete intro straight off of the Local Mix, „zipper“ included. The actual, official video version starts at the percussion and is specially mixed to have echo on the line „Do you believe in love…“ which is dry on the Local Mix and therefore not present here. This new monstrosity then incorrectly cuts to the 7″ Remix/Edit version and then again where they have BUTCHERED the song right at the bridge. A bad edit jumps the track from the end of the chorus to the repeat of the bridge which kills the structure of the track. This version is unlistenable.

    CHERISH – FAKE EDIT

    The original album version cut to the length of the super-short Immaculate Collection version. AMATEUR doesn’t begin to describe how bad these edits have been executed. Poor edits result in creating entirely new lyrics! How about this chestnut… „Can’t get away, I won’t let to“ ?! They render all prior complaints about bad edits on Madonna’s releases void. Again, unlistenable. In the cases of „Express Yourself“ and „Cherish,“ why not just use the ****ing Q Sound remixes?! They’re the exact same length as the fake edits and it’s not like there aren’t 6 others from that release present here.

    EROTICA – FAKE Radio Edit

    The edit points are around the same places as the OFFICIAL radio edit, but are poorly executed. The worst is around 3:30… they cut a beat late making for one of the sloppiest moments on this royal****upofacompilation. I don’t understand why this needed to be recreated as the official edit appears on countless singles and 2001’s GHV2 compilation. Oh. And the „surface noise“ on the end of „Erotica“ overlaps the beginning of „Justify My Love“.

    DON’T TELL ME – FAKE Radio Edit

    The least offensive/noticeable fake edit, but incorrect nonetheless. The true radio edit was a unique mix for the very last second that does not feature the „whimsical strings“ tag. For Celebration, they have chopped off the end, but the first millisecond of this tag is audible.

    Regarding the mastering: It sounds as though noise reduction was used to remove „tape hiss“ which is unnecessary on most recordings post 1980. This process kills part of the high end of recordings. In addition, the entire album has a smear of bass over it. I really wanted to like it, but it sounds like a cheap „bass boost“ EQ effect was applied to the songs, not proper remastering.

    --

    Highlights von Rolling-Stone.de
    Werbung
    #7270465  | PERMALINK

    arnaoutchot

    Registriert seit: 29.12.2006

    Beiträge: 89

    Naja, ist 90% der Hörerschaft wahrscheinlich wurscht, weil die das über die Kopfhörer der MP3-Player eh nicht hören. Hauptsache laut. Die „Immaculate Collection“ hab ich sogar, die klingt eigentlich recht gut. Was war nochmals dieses Q-Sound Verfahren ? Hat das nicht auch Pink Floyd genutzt ?

    --

    #7270467  | PERMALINK

    Anonym
    Inaktiv

    Registriert seit: 01.01.1970

    Beiträge: 0

    arnaoutchotNaja, ist 90% der Hörerschaft wahrscheinlich wurscht, weil die das über die Kopfhörer der MP3-Player eh nicht hören. Hauptsache laut. Die „Immaculate Collection“ hab ich sogar, die klingt eigentlich recht gut. Was war nochmals dieses Q-Sound Verfahren ? Hat das nicht auch Pink Floyd genutzt ?

    „The Immaculate Collection“ ist ähnlicher Mist wie „Celebration“, da es sich in vielen Fällen um editierte Remixes handelt.

    --

    #7270469  | PERMALINK

    Anonym
    Inaktiv

    Registriert seit: 01.01.1970

    Beiträge: 0

    MacClausJemand hat die 2 CD Collection auseinandergenommen… anscheinend ein Pfusch!

    Quote:
    26 years in, is no one going to step up to preserve Madonna’s recorded legacy?

    Lest the tone of this come across as entirely negative (it’s really more underwhelmed than anything), this is to serve as final confirmation of what you’re getting when you buy the new collection. All of the truly iconic songs are here, though many major hits have been omitted. And that’s okay considering –impressively– it would require double the amount of discs to include all of Madonna’s hits in one package.

    Here is what is included on Celebration.

    There are 16 previously released songs featured in their full-length, original album versions.

    BURNING UP

    HOLIDAY

    MATERIAL GIRL

    INTO THE GROOVE

    LIVE TO TELL

    PAPA DON’T PREACH

    LA ISLA BONITA

    WHO’S THAT GIRL

    LIKE A PRAYER

    JUSTIFY MY LOVE

    TAKE A BOW

    FROZEN

    BEAUTIFUL STRANGER

    MUSIC – MASTERING ERROR: multiple digital pops and clicks that are not part of the original recording can be heard throughout this song.

    DIE ANOTHER DAY – MASTERING ERROR: Track fades up late due to the incorrectly placed track index on the American Life album. This is ridiculous. The unaffected album version appears on both the US Promo CD single and the Die Another Day film soundtrack, all Warner Bros. releases.

    HOLLYWOOD – MASTERING ERROR: Track starts abruptly and end of „American Life“’s fade out is audible.

    Of these, ten were released as singles in versions that differ from these LP mixes. I would have much preferred the inclusion of the difficult to obtain single mixes, but I’m in therapy and have mostly moved on. Mostly.

    Fortunately, five tracks do appear in their official single versions.

    SECRET (Edit)

    RAY OF LIGHT (Edit)

    SORRY (Single Edit)

    4 MINUTES (Edit)

    MILES AWAY (Radio Edit)

    …and one more is a rarity from a US promo CD:

    HUNG UP ([Unblended] Album Version)

    Next up, there are five remixes lifted directly from The Immaculate Collection.

    BORDERLINE (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    LIKE A VIRGIN (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    CRAZY FOR YOU (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    OPEN YOUR HEART (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    VOGUE (1990) (Q Sound Mix)

    And now we pause to ask ourselves why.

    The remaining nine tracks are unique to the collection. The first two are new recordings.

    CELEBRATION

    REVOLVER

    One appears to be a from-the-vault rarity, likely included by mistake.

    LUCKY STAR – ALTERNATIVE Q SOUND MIX

    Virtually identical to the version heard on The Immaculate Collection, though there is noticeably more reverb on the „ee-yeah“’s at the foot of each chorus. The music leading into the first verse is different (on TIC is was edited to match the original 7“ version, on here it is not.) The most obvious difference is right at the fade, instead of the chorus it edits to a set of adlibs heard on longer versions of the song, but not heard on the Q Sound version. Odd, but inoffensive as it seems to be a genuine unreleased variation.

    As for the rest, quality control has reached an all time low:

    EVERYBODY – FAKE EDIT

    This uses the full length, original 12″ version as its starting point (as did the official 7″ single version), but is structured differently. While the overall idea for this edit wasn’t horrendous, whoever was placed in charge of actually executing the edits needs to be tortured. Slowly… painfully.

    DRESS YOU UP – ****ED UP INTRO

    What the hell happened here? This isn’t a mix variation so much as a mastering error… the album version started late with severe tape pinch/phasing issues right at the top. Of the four beats on the intro, all but the fourth are missing.

    EXPRESS YOURSELF – FAKE ****ING ****.

    The most offensive. In a failed attempt to kindofsortof recreate the video version, they have taken the complete intro straight off of the Local Mix, „zipper“ included. The actual, official video version starts at the percussion and is specially mixed to have echo on the line „Do you believe in love…“ which is dry on the Local Mix and therefore not present here. This new monstrosity then incorrectly cuts to the 7″ Remix/Edit version and then again where they have BUTCHERED the song right at the bridge. A bad edit jumps the track from the end of the chorus to the repeat of the bridge which kills the structure of the track. This version is unlistenable.

    CHERISH – FAKE EDIT

    The original album version cut to the length of the super-short Immaculate Collection version. AMATEUR doesn’t begin to describe how bad these edits have been executed. Poor edits result in creating entirely new lyrics! How about this chestnut… „Can’t get away, I won’t let to“ ?! They render all prior complaints about bad edits on Madonna’s releases void. Again, unlistenable. In the cases of „Express Yourself“ and „Cherish,“ why not just use the ****ing Q Sound remixes?! They’re the exact same length as the fake edits and it’s not like there aren’t 6 others from that release present here.

    EROTICA – FAKE Radio Edit

    The edit points are around the same places as the OFFICIAL radio edit, but are poorly executed. The worst is around 3:30… they cut a beat late making for one of the sloppiest moments on this royal****upofacompilation. I don’t understand why this needed to be recreated as the official edit appears on countless singles and 2001’s GHV2 compilation. Oh. And the „surface noise“ on the end of „Erotica“ overlaps the beginning of „Justify My Love“.

    DON’T TELL ME – FAKE Radio Edit

    The least offensive/noticeable fake edit, but incorrect nonetheless. The true radio edit was a unique mix for the very last second that does not feature the „whimsical strings“ tag. For Celebration, they have chopped off the end, but the first millisecond of this tag is audible.

    Regarding the mastering: It sounds as though noise reduction was used to remove „tape hiss“ which is unnecessary on most recordings post 1980. This process kills part of the high end of recordings. In addition, the entire album has a smear of bass over it. I really wanted to like it, but it sounds like a cheap „bass boost“ EQ effect was applied to the songs, not proper remastering.

    Quelle?

    --

    #7270471  | PERMALINK

    macclaus

    Registriert seit: 29.11.2006

    Beiträge: 1,818

    kramerQuelle?

    SH Forum

    hier die DVD-Ausgabe:

    CELEBRATION, 2-DVD review (US edition, NTSC)

    I’ve just finished watching that infamous DVD set while taking notes, and so much for a Celebration – I’d rather ****ing shoot myself than go through this mess again. I had read the brief reviews on this forum and since everyone seemed to be quite unhappy with this new DVD set, I wanted to see what that was all about. I thought I’d share my own track-by-track review of this sad spectacle, in the least biased way possible. Please note:

    – This is a purely technical review of the new DVD. I’m not taking into account the artistic merit of the videos here: All comments are related to the quality of the video/audio tracks featured on ‚Celebration‘.

    – Needless to say that these DVDs were tested using very proper, high-end equipments (plural, I like to multitask). Don’t give me that whole „The DVD is actually wonderful quality but you couldn’t see it because you didn’t convert it from NTSC to PAL using your DVD menu“, or whatever nonsense I’ve been reading on forums recently.

    – I wanted to review both the PCM stereo and the 5.1 tracks, since both are available on the DVDs. But it’s clear we’re not dealing with a real, proper 5.1 mix here (that would be: a properly done remixing using separate studio elements, done by the original producers of the songs, in order to achieve a coherent and audiophile-friendly recreation on 6 tracks of what they originally created for the then-current 2 tracks stereo medias ). No, what we have here is a ******** upmix created using the newly „remastered“ stereo tracks – or „how to expand 2 channels into 6 so people will go „great, it’s got 5.1 sound, this will sound great on what I call a home theater“. Lame commercial trick that’s just an audiophile’s nightmare. The guys who worked on the Beatles remasters can sleep tight: Nobody employed by Warner is gonna be able to steal their job. Anyway: not reviewing these ******** 5.1 upmixes, but only the proper, uncompressed PCM stereo tracks, the way they were meant to be heard. So here we go.

    ——————————————————————————————————-
    1. BURNING UP
    Video: This version is slightly sharper than the promo VOB/dvd rip circulating online. The colors have been unnecessarily boosted and yet the picture is a bit too pale compared to the promo version, which had darker/deeper blacks. This one suffers at times from its low bitrate, but it’s not so bad considering what’s coming up.
    Audio [pcm track]: Good job, although obviously a re-re-master as it appears to be lifted from the 2000 remastered reissue of the album.
    Winner (video): The promo version.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    2. LUCKY STAR
    Video: Alternate edit, (a minute shorter than the one on the Immaculate Collection), so let’s compare it with the same version of the video which is currently circulating from a promo DVD. The picture is softer and less detailed than the promo version. The colors are also more pale and the blacks are, again, grey instead of black. The overall low bitrate used for the videos on this new collection clearly shows its flaws here – this is a god damned pixel-fest. Yuk.
    Audio [pcm track]: A rather discreet and useful remaster.
    Winner (video): The promo VOB, quite clearly.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    3. BORDERLINE
    Video: The picture is less detailed than on the Immaculate Collection (it’s obviously the same master used for both editions, but they’ve used the usual ******** noise reduction filter on this one). And the colors have again been unnecessarily boosted. No trace of noise reduction here, but where the IC version kept the original 35mm grain rather intact, what we have here are blocks and digital noise instead. The picture is also very slightly cropped on the sides (!). Cheap encoding, bad interlacing: overall useless.
    Audio [pcm track]: The remastered audio is surprisingly good on this one (as were all the tracks on the 2000 remastered edition of the MADONNA album – someone has been doing their job back then obviously)
    Winner (video): The IC version by a long shot.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    4. LIKE AVIRGIN
    Video: Same version as on the I.C. (with the „lion’s tongue“), and same master used for both video collections, with here a softer/less detailed picture (same noise reduction problem), useless color boost, and an even slighter crop of the sides of the picture.
    Audio [pcm track]: A rather good remaster makes it a new enjoyable listening experience.
    Winner (video): The IC version.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    5. MATERIAL GIRL
    Video: The noise reduction isn’t so bad on this one, but the rest is. Again that damned color boost, and the picture is too pale compared to the IC version. Some very obvious artifacts and shivering problems all around – this is just ridiculous video quality for anything other than an SVCD.
    Audio [pcm track]: A proper and clean remaster, not overly done.
    Winner (video): The IC version
    Winner (audio): This version.

    6. CRAZY FOR YOU
    Previously unreleased on DVD even through promos. Better than the evil VHS rips available so far, but still not anywhere what could be expected on such a DVD. The blacks aren’t black and the picture is even a bit shaky. As for the audio, watch out for the god awful fade out at the end (while trying to recreate the original video’s soundtrack, they’ve faded it out a tad too late.) Let’s give a C- to this one, considering most 80’s videos released on DVD usually aren’t that hot quality in general. So far in the test, the only reason to purchase CELEBRATION, although a very thin one.

    7. INTO THE GROOVE
    Video: Previously unreleased on DVD. Compared to the promo-DVD version, this one appears to be less colorful, and way too pale. The definition is about the same, although noticeably softer in some very short parts of the video.
    Audio [pcm track]: Very decent remaster, works very well at very high volume. Much enjoyable.
    Winner (video): I’ll stick with the promo VOB for this one. Again.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    8. LIVE TO TELL
    Video: Previously unreleased on DVD, even through promo, so, we can only call this one a winner. It’s actually quite good despite the low bitrate: The blacks are deep, the colors vivid, and the picture is rather sharp. Still the same artifacts/interlacing problems to report, and the picture is also shaky. Not the worst from the set for sure, but certainly not what I’d call a high quality remaster.
    Audio [pcm track]: Very nicely done. This reworked audio gives new depth to the music while remaining very 80s sounding. Nice.
    Winner (video): Well this one, obviously. It’s not excellent, but certainly preferable to any VHS rip.
    Winner (audio): The new remaster works.

    9. PAPA DON’T PREACH
    Video: Practically a clone to the IC version, although ever so slightly softer and less detailed (again, that damned noise reduction). A bit blocky at times, certainly not too bad, but the quality still ain’t au par with that of the IC collection (a DVD released more than a decade ago). Useless. And yes, the nipple is still there, at least!
    Audio [pcm track]: Same as for Live To Tell, this appears to have been remastered using the elements used for the 2000 remastered reissue of the True Blue album (ie: a proper remastering job)
    Winner (video): Close call, but the IC version is richer, cleaner and has better encoding.
    Winner (audio): This one, definitely.

    10. TRUE BLUE
    Video: Previously unreleased on DVD (even through promos). So ok, this version is of course much better than the crappy VHS rips found so far. But what’s the use of offering a video for the first time on DVD if it’s to plague it with such an awful encoding? The artifacts just jump at you right from the start of the video. SVCD alert. The blue tones and backgrounds never liked low bitrates MPG2 encoding anyway, so this was to be expected from a single-layered DVD with so many videos and dual soundtracks.
    Audio [pcm track]: Like the other remastered tracks from the True Blue album: Good job.
    Winner (video): Better than all the rips online, but not anywhere as good as it could have been with a proper encoding on a dual-layer DVD.
    Winner (audio): Good remaster.

    11. OPEN YOUR HEART
    Video: The best on the DVD so far, or should I say the „least worst“? The IC version was always a bit too pale, but the colors here are finally doing justice to Mondino’s beautiful work. The blacks are deep enough, the definition is a bit better than the other videos from Celebration *so far*, and given what little physical space was given to this video on the DVD, the encoding isn’t so awful, and the artifacts are kept to a minimum. This version is also showing just a little bit more picture on the sides than the IC version, which was (very lightly) cropped. Shame the whole DVD wasn’t done properly on dual-layers, or this would have been an A- transfer with the proper encoding. Best so far here, but that doesn’t say much.
    Audio [pcm track]: Again, same as for the other TB tracks: Very proper and respectful remasters.
    Winner (video): Almost a draw, but the IC version, still, even though a bit too pale, has much better encoding and grain.
    Winner (audio): This one.

    12. LA ISLA BONITA
    Video: Same master used on the IC, but that’s where it ends. Pixels, shaky picture, bad interlacing, horrible noise reduction, useless color boost, bad cropping: You name it, it’s there. Simply ridiculous.
    Audio [pcm track]: Nice remaster, but why bother – the visual experience make it completely useless.
    Winner (video): The IC version, although I’m tempted to say „none“. The IC version had its problems (ridiculous Beta master with colors „drooling“ everywhere, an encoding damaging the original film grain), and this version has new problems (stupid noise reduction, shaky picture during camera movements due to that crappy encoding)… I’ll chose none until this excellent video gets the treatment it deserves (a proper release using the original film elements used – which is exactly what should be done when the world leading record company releases a video retrospective of the world’s biggest pop act).
    Winner (audio): Clearly, this version.

    13. WHO’S THAT GIRL
    Video: Previously unreleased on DVD even though promo, so again, nothing to decently compare it with. The picture’s definition is rather good (and even surprisingly good on some shots), the colors are lively, although a bit blue-ish overall compared to what we’d seen before.
    Audio [pcm track]: I’d say „good“ if it wasn’t for some ridiculous distortions which make the sound go suddenly slower for some brief moments. Another example that this DVD was released without any care.
    Winner (video): Better than nothing I guess.
    Winner (audio): Decent enough for a remaster, a bit useless.

    14. LIKE A PRAYER
    Video: Noise reduction, shivering picture, no more grain from the 35mm film: Not even as good as what they’ve done more than 10 years ago with the IC version. Why bother?
    Audio [pcm track]: An OK remaster, more like a boost-up. Doesn’t feel like this couldn’t be achieved by any Madonna fan with basic knowledge of his audio tools.
    Winner (video): The IC version, by a very long shot.
    Winner (audio): This one (sigh).

    15. EXPRESS YOURSELF
    Video: The version here presented is the original version, about a minute longer than the IC version. And if it wasn’t for (again) the awful noise reduction (which totally kills the cinematic effect intended for this great video), and the ridiculous low Q encoding, it would be great. Only it’s, well, ****.
    Audio [pcm track]: Different remaster than the one used on the CD version of Celebration, weirdly enough. There’s still that crappy noise right at the start, but the missing echo on „Do you believe in love?“ is back like in the original video, and it’s not the same awful copy’n’paste job than on the CD. A decent remaster overall.
    Winner (video): Needless to say, the IC version.
    Winner (audio): The IC version worked well enough. This one is nicely boosted but features some unwanted elements, so… your pick.

    16. CHERISH
    Video: Very close to that of the Immaculate collection (ie: STILL not properly transfered). Again that stupid noise reduction and awful encoding, only it’s not as visible as on the other videos since we’ve yet to see a decent transfer of Cherish on DVD.
    Audio [pcm track]:A more discreet and natural remaster. Rather good!
    Winner (video): The IC one (although not great, it’s still superior to this badly „de-noised“ version).
    Winner (audio): This version (and it doesn’t feature the too-early fade-out the IC version had)

    17. VOGUE
    Video: Probably the closest between all the IC versions and the Celebration versions. Virtually the same, nothing has been retouched except, guess what? ****ing noise reduction filter again. The original grain is gone, but don’t worry: it’s been replaced with artifacts and reminiscence around everything. Not vomit-inducing, but simply a pitiful „remaster“ and a lame edition.
    Audio [pcm track]:My personal favorite of all these remastered audio tracks. Gives new life to the track without changing it.
    Winner (video): Duh. Immaculate forever.
    Winner (audio): This one by a long shot.

    18. JUSTIFY MY LOVE
    Video: Here comes trouble. This is truly a shame, and for many reasons. Yes, the video is censored with black rectangles over a couple of harmless nipples, because, you know, Madonna fans and all the little children of the world could go blind otherwise, and such decisions say a lot about Madonna’s artistic integrity nowadays. But other than this god awful decision, the real shame is that JML was only previously released through VHS and promo DVD, and none of these transfers did justice to the great arthouse cinematography or even faithfully rendered the original 16mm film grain, which is new censored print does! Of course, it’s all spoiled due to the very low encoding quality (or: „when film grain become blocks and artifacts“) and to the ridiculous censoring. Good going Warner and Madonna for spoiling some of her most eloquent work.
    Audio [pcm track]: It is wasn’t for the saturation and that bad vocal mix, it could have been a good remaster. As such, it’s not.
    Winner (video): None. The VHS transfer was just that, the promo DVD version sucked, and this censored LQ monstrosity sucks even harder.
    Winner (audio): None. Go back to listen to the Q-sound mix on the IC while remembering the video as you recall it – it can only be better than this.

    19. EROTICA (R-rated version)
    Video: And more trouble here, thank you Warner. a/ film grain equals **** when encoded with low bitrate and b/ Noise reduction is not the way to go to solve this. Other than this, this is the full-length, 5’11 censored version of Erotica (we knew we wouldn’t get the X-rated version, but it’s nice to see they didn’t chose the 4’30 edit previously issued through promos at least!). I don’t what some of you had been smoking before reviewing this video on Fanzine, but in no way does it feature any alternate shots – this is, shot by shot, the video we already knew. Not the worst transfer of the DVD, and not a crappy edit, so I guess it should be satisfying enough.
    Audio [pcm track]: Good remaster, and this one (unlike the awful Celebration CD version) doesn’t feature any editing done by an obviously deaf person.
    Winner (video): I’ll stick with the promo DVD/VOB previously shared online, which, although too bright, has much better sharpness/grain/taints and doesn’t suffer the noise reduction filter, the low bitrate/encoding and the mediocre color boost.
    Winner (audio): Much better audio Q than the promo VOB or album version – very enjoyable remaster, imho.

    20. DEEPER & DEEPER
    Video: This is the full-length version of the video (with the spoken intro by Udo Kier and the banana scene). Like the rest: compared to the Promo Only vob, this one has awful digital noise reduction, and wild pixels all over. The 16mm grain is almost all gone in profit of digital artifacts. But no sign of color „corrections“ on this one at least.
    Audio [pcm track]: I must admit – this remastered version kicked my ***. The basses are wild and it remains faithful to the original album version while giving it a little something special that won’t make you popular with your neighbors.
    Winner (video): The promo-only VOB wins, no contest.
    Winner(audio): This version, worth having to suffer the not-so-good video quality.

    21. RAIN
    Video: We’re now in 93:99 territory and the differences are likely to be less obvious between the Celebration and the 93:99 versions. Starting with Rain. Absolutely the same master without any sort of correction done. Identical on every level – well except the **** encoding here.
    Audio [pcm track]: Good and clear remaster, very close to the original too.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 version for higher bitrate and less artifacts, although both are real close.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    22. I’LL REMEMBER
    Video: No difference whatsoever with the Promo Only vob available online, except a ******** of pixels and artifacts appearing at certain points of the video. Truly horrible at times. Worst compression seen in a while!
    Audio [pcm track]: A good remaster/boost.
    Winner (video): The promo VOB, „no hesitation“.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    23. SECRET
    Video: Noticeably damaged by the bad compression, and ridiculously blocky at certain points (cf. the drag queen in hallway shot). More contrasted than the 93:99 version (not a good thing in the present case).
    Audio [pcm track]: A clean and neat remaster which avoids betraying the original mix.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 Collection version, hands down.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    24. TAKE A BOW
    Video: A bit more bright and contrasted than the 93:99 version. Here again, the compression and sharpness is inferior to the version previously released.
    Audio [pcm track]: A few clips here and there due to a clumsy remastering.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 version for its superior mpg2 encoding.
    Winner (audio): The 93:99 version (although not remastered, at least it doesn’t clip).

    25. BEDTIME STORY
    Video: Slightly darker and more colorful than the 93:99, this one doesn’t suffer its low bitrate too much, and is extremely similar in quality to the 93:99 version. Far from getting the treatment it deserves, this great video is one of the strongest on Celebration, quality-wise.
    Audio [pcm track]: Ever so slightly remastered, this is quite a good boost-up.
    Winner (video): 93:99 version, for its more faithful colors and slightly better encoding.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    26. HUMAN NATURE
    Video: Bad noise reduction filter, bad! Bad pixels, bad! Crazy interlacing. SVCD territory, welcome back!
    Audio [pcm track]: Discreet and honorable work on the remastering. Excellent dynamic on the door slams!
    Winner (video): The 93:99 collection.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    27. I WANT YOU
    Video: A hot freegin‘ mess, and the absolute worst of the set. This is just horrendous, blocky beyond reason, and the quality of this sole video justifies getting your money back at the store. Not so much SVCD territory anymore, we’re talking about Real-Video quality from the 90s here. Worth pulling your eyes out with a dirty spoon used by someone with Avian flue. How can my promo-VHS rip of this video be better than an officially licensed DVD? Well it is. I’ll upload it later BTW, ah!
    Audio [pcm track]: If only the video part was as good as the audio….
    Winner (video): Anything’s better than this. A VHS rip, a VCD rip, or a bowel movement. This gets the grand prize for worst quality seen on an official DVD in recent years.
    Winner (audio): Good remaster. Enhances the Something To Remember version nicely.

    28. YOU’LL SEE
    Video: Pixels alert. Rather crap quality, but after I Want You, anything else will look like it got THX-approved.
    Audio [pcm track]: Hum, not so hot. Sounds a bit hollow compared to the album Q, and the vocals on the chorus are just messed up here.
    Winner (video): The Promo Only VOB circulating online, hands down.
    Winner (audio): The Promo Only VOB here again.

    29. FROZEN
    Video: Getting old just sucks, my memory is playing tricks on me. I thought Madonna morphed into crows in that video, but actually she changes into pixels flying in the desert. Very mystical and groundbreaking of her. Other than this: the picture’s darkened, slightly more colorful, quite well defined but greatly suffers from the low compression.
    Audio [pcm track]: Nice little remaster. Works for me and fits well Orbit’s style actually.
    Winner (video): Do I really need to say it?
    Winner (audio): This version.

    30. RAY OF LIGHT
    Video: Much sharper than the way-too-soft-and-blurry version on 93:99. Definitely a new master. That would have been real nice to watch if encoded properly. Unfortunately, the **** compression is here to remind us that even with a new better source, this DVD remains way inferior to a product sold more than a decade ago, yawn.
    Audio [pcm track]: Nice little boost up, but lacks of lows and gets a bit too sharp (ie annoying) at times.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 version. Too soft, but well encoded and not so blocky at least.
    Winner (audio): The 93:99 version.

    31. THE POWER OF GOODBYE
    Video: Less colors but sharper than the 93:99 edition. The weak encoding ruins it here again (hello, pixel, I see you brought your friends. Many of them.).
    Audio [pcm track]: Same kind of enhancement on this one than on Ray Of Light, but it works better here, and doesn’t get too clicky.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 edition.
    Winner (audio): The 93:99 edition too, as this remaster is a bit useless.

    32. BEAUTIFUL STRANGER
    Video: Horrible, horrible quality. Back to VCD-land here again: The rich, green tones really don’t agree with the low bitrate allowed. Truly awful.
    Audio [pcm track]: Useless, slightly annoying remaster with doesn’t do justice to the slick production of this track. Bad.
    Winner (video): The 93:99 collection version.
    Winner (audio): The 93:99 collection version.

    33. AMERICAN PIE
    Video: I see less colors, I see artifacts, up to Madonna’s *** crack.
    Audio [pcm track]: It’s all highs, very little bottom. Not a very good job to say the least.
    Winner (video): The version included on TNBT dvds.
    Winner (audio): The version included on TNBT dvds.

    34. MUSIC (long version)
    Video: Not very good. Less colorful, less contrasts, more artifacts and pixels then the MUSIC dvd-single version. And I suppose Madonna’s awful vocal acting („Stooop. Put the music back on“) can’t be considered a technical flaw, can it?
    Audio [pcm track]: Now we’re talking. Play this out loud, loud, loud and expect an eviction notice soon. This is how I’ve wanted to hear that track for a long time.
    Winner (video): The Music single version.
    Winner (audio): This version, hands down.

    35. DON’T TELL ME
    Video: One of the worst use they could have made from their beloved noise reduction filter. Need I mention the artifacts again? Lame. A 1st grader could do a better remaster than this using ****ing Virtualdub.
    Audio [pcm track]: Well I liked it, but it’s messed up. Not sure Mr. Mirwais would approve. But fine as it is.
    Winner (video): The Promo Only DVD vob by a long shot.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    36. WHAT IT FEELS LIKE FOR A GIRL
    Video: Not trying to be an „Ol‘ Kunt“, but, ahhh, 2001… they knew how to encode MPG2 back in those days.
    Audio [pcm track]: Rather excellent – terrific basses and depth all over. Very good remastering work on this one imho.
    Winner (video): The WIFLFAG dvd single, no contest.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    37. DIE ANOTHER DAY
    Video: Not so hot (the usual problems inherent to the whole DVD), but still better than the copy available on promos and on the Bond film DVD.
    Audio [pcm track]: Nicely done, powerful and clean.
    Winner (video): This version.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    38. HOLLYWOOD.
    Video: ****ing awful. The rich, vibrant and quickly changing colors are no friends of low encodings in general, and the rule applies here, definitely.
    Audio [pcm track]: You know things are starting very badly when the first thing you hear in that HOLLYWOOD video are the last notes and lyrics from American Life! Yes, the audio is directly lifted from the AL album, hence that bad start. Any amateur editor would have avoided that. Simply ridiculous.
    Winner (video): The Promo-Only VOB version, no question about it.
    Winner (audio): The fart of a dead moose would sound better than this (at least it wouldn’t start with the last bits of another song!)

    39. LOVE PROFUSION
    Video: Still not as good as the Promo Only version, even though that wasn’t very hot to begin with. Moving CGI flowers changing into pixels? Lovely. NOT!
    Audio [pcm track]: Good remaster, faithful to the original mix, just louder. Discreet enough to be enjoyed!
    Winner (video): Any of the promo VOBs.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    40.HUNG UP
    Video: Honestly, it’s ****, and it’s not even a question of compression only. The promo VOB sent to the press at the time of the Hung Up release was only 120mb and was absolutely fantastic quality. This one is 225mb and is complete ****, and just unwatchable. If Madonna approved this, she’s either blind as a bat or used her Ipod to check the videos‘ quality.
    Audio [pcm track]: Terrific. Not necessarily for an audiophile, but killer when played at high volume!
    Winner (video): The promo video, by a long shot!!
    Winner (audio): This version.

    41. SORRY
    Video: And there, we’ve reached a new low: A video shot in Panavision, then pan and scaned, and then letterboxed! Not to mention the quality, worth of a second generation VHS tape, when the promos circulating are in excellent quality. Wow, impressive. Technical mediocrity has reached a new level, congratulations Warner!
    Audio [pcm track]: Whatever. Doesn’t matter. Who cares.
    Winner (video): My home movies shot in 8mm in the 70s have known cleaner and better transfers than this nightmare.
    Winner (audio): Too busy rubbing my eyes to even care.

    42. GET TOGETHER (alternate version)
    Video: Ridiculous short edit. Below average picture quality. Questionable use of a badly done 16:9 encoding (the only one of this set so far, all the other letterboxed videos are in non-anamorphic 4:3, 1.33:1 ratio)
    Audio [pcm track]: Kinda liked the sound (just a louder, slightly clearer boost), but the bad editing ruins it anyway.
    Winner (video): The promo VOB circulating online.
    Winner (audio): The album version.

    43. JUMP
    Video: Jump… by the window, that is. OK, to be honest, it’s not that bad compared to the rest. Not acceptable quality, but not the worst.
    Audio [pcm track]: Sounds a bit amateurish (EQ loudness, much?)
    Winner (video): The promo VOB (better encoding)
    Winner (audio): The promo VOB (a more real and genuine sound), and this edit is very clumsy.

    44. FOUR MINUTES
    Video: Although widely available in true HD form, this one is featured here in 4:3 letterbox. Average picture quality, but then again, at this point, anything better than an SVCD looks wonderful, even that crappy video.
    Audio [pcm track]: Slight saturations make it a miss.
    Winner (video): The HD promo file.
    Winner (audio): The album version

    45. GIVE IT TO ME
    Video: The best from this DVD. Not great quality, but perfectly watchable compared to the rest (and „average“ compared to any decently produced music DVD).
    Audio [pcm track]: „Remastered“ neatly enough to make one believe that track needed it.
    Winner (video): The promo VOB (similar quality, but the promo was in 16:9)
    Winner (audio): This version.

    46. MILES AWAY
    Video: Quite good actually, compared to the vob ripped from the promo DVD. The second (and last) video from the set to be encoded in 16:9.
    Audio [pcm track]: Very similar, but louder than the promo version.
    Winner (video): This version because of the 16:9 encoding and clearer/better colors and definition.
    Winner (audio): This version.

    47. CELEBRATION (Benassi mix / Dancers version)
    Video: Not anywhere near today’s quality standard for a video. But it’s an old video after all. A month old, at least.
    Audio [pcm track]: Vibrant and loud – nice.
    Winner (video): I’ll pick the MOV file from Jonas‘ website – it gives a much better result once encoded to MPG2 than this version. Seriously. Nice way to end that crappy compilation, Warner!
    Winner (audio): Same as the CD-Maxi version.

    (Quite happy to be done with this. Never again!)

    OVERALL:
    – Most video tracks, if not all of them, are ****ed up and a true mockery from Warner & Madonna to their customers.
    – Most audio tracks (that is, the PCM ones) are rather good, especially the oldies. The newer they get, the lamer the remasters get in most cases.
    – The missing videos (American Life, Bad Girl, Oh Father, Drowned World, some of Madonna’s all time best) are greatly missed.
    – If, after reading all this, you’re still going to spend your hard earned cash on this lame DVD set, well I guess you deserve to be mocked, laughed at and anally raped by the people at Warner (who haven’t waited for this new shopping impulse of yours to treat fans like dirt, anyway). Try not to encourage this kind of low quality release by a/ not buying the product and b/ voicing your opinion to them quite loudly if necessary, so more care goes into their next Madonna release (which might happen… very soon.)
    – An 8,9Gb torrent of the two DVD set (uncompressed direct rip) is widely circulating online and takes about an hour to download once registered (for free) to the tracker. Best way to check out the product and then voice your opinion out loud. Now you know what to do.

    --

    #7270475  | PERMALINK

    nighthitcher

    Registriert seit: 01.04.2010

    Beiträge: 1

    sounds good to me

Ansicht von 6 Beiträgen - 1 bis 6 (von insgesamt 6)

Du musst angemeldet sein, um auf dieses Thema antworten zu können.